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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 642

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for the 31st of january 2020. richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia

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january's nearly over we couldn't wait

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for 2020 to be over and now january 2021

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is nearly over

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i guess time sort of goes like that

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coming up on this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone podcast we're going to look

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once more at the great australian

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prediction project

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now last week we were looking at various

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predictions for donald trump

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this week we're going to look at various

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predictions made by various psychics

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mystic seers

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and ponderers of the future about queen

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elizabeth ii

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and whereas there were a couple of

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predictions last week

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that were made over the last 20 years

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that were correct about donald trump

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this week we'll see how many predictions

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made by our gaggle of mystics were

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correct about queen

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elizabeth ii and a big shout out to all

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my friends

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who help me every week on the great

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australian prediction

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project hookup and following that it's

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logical fallacies with the fabulous

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michelle

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this week

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it's the fallacy of composition

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this fallacy is about transferring or

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projecting the property

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shared by a set of individual components

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to the whole group or product

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as if they were one and the same then we

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have the latest

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newsletter from the australian skeptics

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compiled and written by tim

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mendem what's happening this week in the

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world of skepticism

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and to round off the show we have

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another dive

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into the trove and our continuing series

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about psychic testing testing mediums

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that sort of stuff

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from 1950 this week

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the panel investigates an australian

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mystic

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i can say kangaroos and koalas

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or something like that now before we get

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into the show just getting back to

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logical fallacies with michelle

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in the past week i have put the first

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20 logical fallacies of michelle's

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logical fallacies into

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one file and uploaded that as a youtube

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there'll be a link in

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this week's show notes or you can just

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google logical fallacies with michelle

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will probably do it uh if you go there

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that the 20 logical fallacies are listed

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right on the youtube video

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with time codes and in the description

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of the video you can simply click

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on the time code in the description and

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go automatically to that logical fallacy

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and right at the end is the complete

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theme music so you can

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sit back and listen to that and those

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clever listeners out there can

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download the whole lot right off youtube

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as a as an audio file

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and listen to that while i don't know

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enjoying a scenic drive

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or spending time with friends

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and thank you to michelle biggesmar for

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all your hard work putting those

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soon michelle will have completed 40

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and once that's happened i'll put up

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another video which will be

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but that's enough for me at the moment

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it's time for me to run downstairs

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and i think it's a cheese toasty kind of

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a little bit of cheese on toast nicely

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on last week's show you may well

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remember we looked into the great

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australian prediction project for

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predictions psychic insights into

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donald trump over the last 20 years so

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state donald trump isn't a head of state

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and pause to ponder the

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predictions for queen elizabeth ii going

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the first prediction we have here comes

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anne a popular writer for such magazines

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women's day and that's exactly where

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this predictions come from women's day

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the queen could have a short stay in

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and and again writing in the same

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by not paying the correct

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taxes again no such incident reported in

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in 2004 in the same magazine in women's

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princess liara whoever

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by the end of the year which isn't

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reported in the year 2004 then we have a

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are psychic predictions made for the

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we have hella alexander in the

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international psychics directory

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health problems around queen elizabeth

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will mean that the subject of succession

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this may in turn awaken the republican

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debate all over again resulting in

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our own president here in australia but

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is likely to have some health problems

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which will require her to step down

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simon turnbull again writing for s t

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g gloss magazine in perth makes the same

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sort of prediction the queen facing

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she will be unwell or stepped down but

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whomever she wishes 2014 now simon

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queen elizabeth may well do the

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unthinkable and agree to

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abdication so her eldest son can stop

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nope fail again kerry irwin now in 2005

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queen elizabeth ii the question put to

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maria campbell writing in the eastern

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queen elizabeth ii she also suspects she

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what has been ailing the queen lately a

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nasty dose of

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pneumonia but she expects she has a few

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left in her and the note we've got here

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is we've put that under the expected

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column as widely reported that the queen

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had a heavy cold or pneumonia so there

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now we come to 2018 georgina walker

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i see steps and the queen is walking

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symbolically i sense it means she is

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backing away stepping down from her

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royal duties as monarch

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i see a fall that may expedite these

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and i see charles rushed in to take

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i see a black flag flying over the

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this is symbolic indicating a passing of

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august flashes up as a major time in the

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i hear sandringham will be my home

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and again nothing

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like that occurred the note we have here

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queen

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is in good health in 2018 so that's

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simply a wrong prediction all round 2019

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julie mackenzie on her youtube channel

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predicting for the year 2019 queen

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elizabeth

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queen's christmas speech in 2019

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there may be talk about pregnancies well

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i

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january 2020

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the queen continues to revamp the agenda

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of the royals

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making it more simplified and youthful

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charles will be stepping into her shoes

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with the view that time is now

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approaching for a takeover to secure the

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continuing success of the monarchy

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well we've got that as a bit

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vague but generally it's just expected

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but still it's really sort of like a

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non-prediction that one

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julie mckenzie once again for

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predicting for the year 2020 on her

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youtube video

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ball at buckian palace for everyday

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people

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queen too unwell to attend now as far as

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we could tell the queen has been in good

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health

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during the whole of 2020 and there was

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certainly no ball at buckingham palace

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or much else as we all know

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julie mackenzie again on the same video

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the queen no christmas speech in 2020

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well there certainly was a christmas

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speech in 2020 from the queen

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now the rest of for last year 2020 of

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course

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lady d danielle i'm not sure who she is

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but on her youtube channel

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she predicted a shock coming up for the

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queen

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but she will take it in her stride we

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couldn't find anything that really

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matched

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that there could have been something she

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might have seen a mouse in buckingham

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palace who knows

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another one of the predictions from

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danielle says here

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the queen relationship that ends for her

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in whatever way

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well that's pretty vague and open but we

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couldn't find anything significant there

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and the last one is the queen

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trouble with one of her speeches

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and the note we've put here in the

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column is the queen was praised for her

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so there we have 21 predictions about

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queen elizabeth ii

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made over the past 20 years by various

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sears mystic

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psychics clairvoyance um

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mediums whatever you want to call them

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fortune tellers

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with the result not one of them not one

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was correct and most were wrong

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with a few remaining which were expected

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or simply too vague and it's interesting

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to note if we do another search on the

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database for

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uh the royal family and death for

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example

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it's about every second here someone

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predicts the death of a significant

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royal prince philip

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the queen prince charles something like

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that

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and one day when these predictions come

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true they'll say look i predicted that

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and for those of you keeping score at

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home currently

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the database contains 3214

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because every now and then we keep

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adding some when we find some new ones

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or

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discover that a prediction in the

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database can be split up into several

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predictions

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and the team have at the moment 677

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hey fellow skeptics ben radford here

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with celestia ward

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your friendly host of squaring the

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strange a podcast that looks at topics

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ranging from legends

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panics and cryptids psychology and

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folklore

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breaking things down and picking things

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apart as we skeptics do

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we bring a few different perspectives on

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things celestia for example is a witty

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cartoonist

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and ben is a brilliant writer and long

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time skeptical investigator

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we don't always agree but we have fun

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trying and we learn new things

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join us for new topics every week or two

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or browse our backlog of evergreen

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episodes

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available on itunes and all your podcast

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feeding troughs squaring the strange

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[Music]

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bye-bye

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[Music]

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logical fallacies

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[Music]

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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important that critical thinkers should

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know about them a logical fallacy is an

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error we can make in reasoning but it

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usually crops up when we are discussing

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some people might even knowingly use

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them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument due to intellectual laziness

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they are traps we can fall into but if

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we know what to look out for

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we can spot them when they occur and

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stop ourselves from using them

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[Music]

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this time we'll look at the fallacy of

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composition

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this fallacy is about transferring or

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projecting the properties shared by a

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set of individual components

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to the whole group or product as if they

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were one

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and the same the fallacy of composition

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can appear to be quite similar to the

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fallacy of hasty generalization

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however the latter usually means

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extrapolating from

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only a small or anomalous sample

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to a larger one and drawing the wrong

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conclusion

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based on insufficient evidence it's

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also the opposite of the fallacy of

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division

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which assumes that what is true for the

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whole

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is also true for some or all of its

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parts

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i don't believe humans have caused

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global warming

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those so-called climate scientists

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commit the

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composition fallacy in their research

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they

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aggregate temperature anomalies from

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specific

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regions then apply that to the whole

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planet to say

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that it's warming you have to look at

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each individual region

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separately if climate change scientists

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simply aggregated regional temperature

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anomalies and called it global warming

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it might be arguable that they are

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committing the composition fallacy

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however it is valid to extrapolate in

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this way in some cases

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and not in others the difficulty lies in

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knowing

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which side is correct in any given

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scenario

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in this case aside from charting

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averages

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and highlighting general trends

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additional supporting evidence for the

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theory of global warming

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comes into play and temperature data is

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consistent

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with the data from multiple lines of

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inquiry

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including the warming oceans melting ice

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sheets

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and retreating glaciers just to name a

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few

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one of the reasons i believe that a

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higher

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power exists is because like many other

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people

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i feel a sense of purpose for being here

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this must also mean that human beings

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are placed here

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on earth for a purpose this is a fallacy

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that we

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sometimes see coming from theists

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it's true that people often feel a sense

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of purpose

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or have pet causes however

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just because any number of individuals

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may feel a sense of purpose this notion

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cannot be transferred to humanity as a

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whole

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to argue that we have some kind of

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collective purpose for being here

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i've been doing some research online and

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have decided

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to give up eating foods that have names

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i can't pronounce

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and i'm also going to avoid chemicals

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first to go is salt did you know it

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contains chlorine

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that's toxic to humans it's certainly

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true that sodium and chlorine are

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harmful to

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humans at certain levels when ingested

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separately

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however the chemical reaction that

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occurs when they

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are combined creates table salt which is

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not

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toxic and something we eat every day

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simply considering the properties of

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individual chemical components

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does not mean that identical properties

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apply to the whole

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product western medical practitioners

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are so reductionist

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i'm going to see a naturopath who will

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treat me

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as a whole person not just focus on my

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liver disease

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organs in the body don't function in

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isolation they are part of a system that

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includes the mind

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body and spirit diseases do

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not necessarily occur in isolation

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and the majority of doctors are going to

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look at lifestyle and

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other factors that may contribute to an

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illness or chronic condition

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however practitioners of western

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medicine

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do not transfer the properties of a

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disease in a specific

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organ to the body as a whole as if they

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were essentially the same thing

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as in the case of the systems approach

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the fallacy of composition occurs when

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we believe

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that what is true for individual parts

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is true for the whole

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think of it this way sometimes

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what is good for the individual is good

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for the group

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but at other times it is not

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therefore we have to be careful about

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determining

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when this is fallacious thinking or when

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it is true

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and may need to seek other kinds of

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evidence to support our position

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[Music]

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and

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even knowing its name is important when

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arguing your point of view

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however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name

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to your opponent when you hear it being

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used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day

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and as skeptics we must also remember

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that we too can be wrong at times

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[Music]

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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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[Music]

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drinking hey drinks hey so nice to be

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back

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at skeptics in the pub yes richard it's

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great that covert 19

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is a thing of the past and we can gather

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together and not wear masks although

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i will occasionally you know like you

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know in special situations you know

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what i mean this this beer tastes better

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than i remember

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and this beer glass is much bigger than

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i remember

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hmm oh thanks for this i'll get the next

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round

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ah no need all the beer is free tonight

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free

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wow did you hear that all the

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anti-vaxxers and flat earthers have

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changed their minds

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what really yeah yeah they're now busy

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writing apology letters to the whole

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world

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they're really busy they're gonna have

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to sharpen their pencil if you know what

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i mean

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ah look it's lara coming over here with

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a

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vouchers for uber rides home

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wow hang on this seems too good to be

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true who's the guest speaker it's not

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bloody brian dunning is it

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let me see uh this

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is odd it says here it's the skeptical

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fairy godmother angel from the internet

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the skeptical

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godmother fairy in you know

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hello everyone who are you like you're

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only 10 centimeters tall

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that's about four inches for those of

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you using the

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darth vader imperial system and floating

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in the air

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that can't be right as lara said i'm the

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skeptical

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fairy godmother angel from the internet

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you asked a silly question and you're

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tonight's guest speaker

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well not really i have come to tell you

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that

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i thought this was too good to be true i

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know we can't meet in pubs at the moment

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but that shouldn't stop you from

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enjoying skeptical talks online

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the fixed skeptics have skeptics cafe

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each month sydney has skeptics in the

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pub

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there are online events from the gold

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coast and

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yes yes this all sounds eerily

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familiar have we met before somewhere

641
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maybe we have maybe it was as we watched

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a live

643
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and interactive skeptical talk all you

644
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,080
need do

645
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,039
is search for them online no matter

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where you are in the world

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she's right i've been watching skeptical

648
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talks from the uk the u.s

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and even one from my own living room

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although that one wasn't very

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interesting i fell asleep and i was the

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speaker

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hang on hang on weren't you once

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the tooth i'll fairy

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leave that down one last question

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yes just whose dream is this

657
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she disappeared but um we're still here

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huh

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right so um

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00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,840
lobster and chips anyone oh yeah he only

661
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pays for food and drinks in the dream

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let me tell you people

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[Music]

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now it's time to once again have a look

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at the australian skeptics newsletter

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delivered to my inbox newsletter number

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115

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hi all a mixed bag today

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with perennials paleo pete and

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royals popping up alongside the

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seriously good news from britain about

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the suspension

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of accreditation for the uk society of

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homeopaths

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likewise we're still in the quiet zone

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until of course one of the other covert

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vaccines starts

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being given out here in australia then

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we can expect a fun time

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meanwhile congratulations to queensland

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00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,000
skeptic store watch sheryl backhouse

682
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who has been awarded an o-a-m in today's

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australia

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00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,559
day honours cheryl is also a life member

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of australian skeptics

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00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,279
read on and this of course is compiled

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and written by

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00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,720
tim mendem uk professional standards

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00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,480
authority suspends the society of

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homeopaths

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00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,039
and of course skeptic's own listeners

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00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,360
will remember we covered this story

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00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,000
just in the last couple of weeks a very

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00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,679
good news story indeed

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00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,240
the next story is pete evans goes

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political

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celebrity chef celebrity chef former

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celebrity chef

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former celebrity somebody who used to be

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on tv

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00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,640
and conspiracy theorist pete evans i

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00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:36,000
added all those other bits by the way

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00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,200
not tim menden

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has turned to one of his few remaining

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social

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media channels to hint at his next move

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politics quote stay tuned for an

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announcement next week and quote

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evans wrote two weeks ago on an

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instagram

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post under the logo of the relatively

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new and little known

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great australian party

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he gave the party a push on his podcast

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last year

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but we're still waiting for the big

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announcement

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great australian party sounds a little

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bit like make america

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great again doesn't it and speaking of

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making america great again the next item

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here is

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connection between wellness influencers

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and pro-trump

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rioters a research fellow at the

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international center for the study of

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radicalization at king's college london

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has pointed out that many social media

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wellness

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influences were seduced into the dark

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side

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by organized conspiracy sites

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hmm it says here the pandemic gives

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people a reason to want to doubt the

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truth

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the wellness community in particular was

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full of

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trusted guides who championed doing your

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00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,760
own research and questioning health

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information from official sources like

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the government

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00:31:08,669 --> 00:31:05,279
and don't forget that when you receive

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00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,149
www.skeptics.com

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00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,799
each of these stories is accompanied by

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00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,799
the link to more information

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00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,760
the next story says scientific study on

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hearing

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00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,880
the dead you have to listen very closely

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00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,799
we have some concerns with a recent

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00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:25,919
study that finds that

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spiritualist mediums might be more prone

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to

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immersive mental activities and unusual

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auditory

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00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,720
experiences early in life according to

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new research led by

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durham university in the uk this might

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explain why some people

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and not others eventually adopt

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spiritualist beliefs and engaged in the

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practice of

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hearing the dead our concern is that the

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study almost

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00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,120
implies that it's a cause and effect

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00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,519
and doesn't seem to doubt the underlying

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practice of spiritualism and hearing

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voices

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it might just be that people who are

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inclined towards spiritualist practices

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00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,200
are also prone to hearing voices rather

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than one leading to the other

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a psychological or social studies issue

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rather than a medical one

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00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,559
and the next item says one million

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dollars for evidence of

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life after death here's an opportunity

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for you

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robert biglow a las vegas real estate

779
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,360
and aerospace mogul

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quote with billionaire allure and the

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resources to fund his

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restless curiosity embracing outer and

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inner space ufos

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and the spirit realm end quote

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is offering nearly one million dollars

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in prizes

787
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for three essays that quote summarize

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the best evidence available for the

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survival of human consciousness

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after permanent bodily death end quote

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good luck mate and there are more items

792
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to read here but i'll let you subscribe

793
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,679
and read those for yourself there's a

794
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quick little plug here for the

795
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uh december 2020 issue of the skeptic

796
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,120
magazine which we've covered before

797
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and of course to which you should

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subscribe

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00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,919
and finally we have items of interest

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travel tip

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ireland's new tourism promo come to

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earth

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island seems to be a popular destination

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for

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00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,320
extraterrestrials as data shows it

806
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is the european countries with the most

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alien

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visits ireland okay

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psychic world reports that there have

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been

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105 recorded ufo sightings in ireland

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with each visit lasting an average of 13

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minutes

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that's not very long the majority of

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sightings in ireland have been described

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as

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unexplainable bright lights france and

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spain come in second and third

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respectively

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and there's another one here to round

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off alt med destroys cars

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[Music]

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a fire that severely damaged seven cars

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and caused

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125 000 worth of damage in west

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australia's midwest has been blamed on

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an aromatherapy device in one of the

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vehicles

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see we told you altmed was dangerous

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lots more to read in the australian

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skeptics newsletter

832
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,710
www.skeptics.com.edu

833
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,440
and you too can receive every other week

834
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:36,720
the ponderings of

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00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:49,520
tim menden

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thursday the 4th of february 2021

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join us for sydney skeptics in the pub

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00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,560
online

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00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:59,040
we present a talk by computer scientist

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00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,599
dr

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00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:02,720
alan blair phd deep

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fake technology and computational

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creativity recent advances in artificial

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intelligence

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and computer graphics are allowing

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computers to

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write stories compose music

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and create artworks of remarkable

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quality

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and to generate videos which are so

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realistic

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00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,680
that their authenticity is almost

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impossible to verify

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this talk will summarize the history and

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00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:33,680
current status

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dr blair completed a bsc ba at the

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university of sydney

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and a phd at mit and is now working at

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the university

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of new south wales join us online via

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twitch

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7 pm sydney time thursday the 4th of

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february

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[Music]

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now it's time to dive once more into

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trove the online resource from the

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australian government

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and the national library of australia

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and over the past weeks we've been going

870
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:31,440
through

871
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,960
into the unknown a series published here

872
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:36,000
in australia

873
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,440
first in 1950 and this is the story of

874
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:44,000
examination of claims of the paranormal

875
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:45,280
conducted in

876
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,839
the uk over the past four weeks we've

877
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:50,560
had the

878
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:54,079
accounts of mrs hughes who was taken

879
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:54,720
over by

880
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,560
the spirit of white feather to give her

881
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,680
readings we've had mr robert dell who

882
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,400
also gave some readings to the panel

883
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:07,440
this week we have

884
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,240
an australian ultra sensitive

885
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,440
an australian alfred rayner of sydney

886
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,520
was one of the mediums who offered to

887
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:19,040
assist the panel

888
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:22,030
in its investigations

889
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,910
and listeners will know that in my

890
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:31,760
opinion so far in

891
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,880
reading these accounts from so long ago

892
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,760
it appears that so far it's simply the

893
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,560
same stock

894
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,800
standard cold reading that we see even

895
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,320
today

896
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,079
although you can forgive the panel of

897
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:48,000
investigators at the time for not

898
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,960
knowing

899
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:52,079
too much about cold reading

900
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:55,760
it's really a branch of

901
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:00,400
magic that has been written about

902
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:03,680
in more recent times and studied and

903
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,880
you can buy good textbooks on it

904
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,800
and this part of the report comes from

905
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,040
the color magazine the sunday sun

906
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:13,440
supplement published on the 24th of

907
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,210
september 1950.

908
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,240
[Music]

909
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,440
a remarkable test of the ultra

910
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,680
sensitive was given on october the 20th

911
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,280
1949

912
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,880
by the australian medium mr alf rainer

913
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,200
rayner is well known for his voluntary

914
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,280
spiritualist work in sydney

915
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,040
where he formed an efficient psychic

916
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:39,599
research group the test was made in a

917
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,680
private seance room at the malabone

918
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,280
spiritualist association

919
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,520
to which body reiner had been attached

920
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:47,359
during part of his work

921
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,040
in the united kingdom rayner is a short

922
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,760
rather stocky figure who radiates

923
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,480
personal

924
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:57,280
charm he speaks with a slight australian

925
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,079
accent

926
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,200
and his manner is refreshingly frank

927
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,359
almost at once after sitting with the

928
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,839
panel he confessed that he would not be

929
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:06,640
able to show

930
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:10,320
much psychic evidence as he felt

931
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,599
the mass mind of the members of the

932
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,560
panel

933
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,359
presented a barrier nevertheless he

934
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:19,280
would attempt some delineation of the

935
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:19,839
psychic

936
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,839
aura to demonstrate the ultrasensitive

937
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,960
and turn to lord amwell you can be

938
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,680
extremely stubborn which makes life a

939
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,599
little difficult sometimes

940
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,440
and when you lose your temper it takes

941
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:34,880
too much out of you

942
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,920
i feel that even old nick wouldn't be

943
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,680
able to shift you once you've made up

944
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,800
your mind

945
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,440
you get that from your father he was not

946
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,359
quite so stout as yourself

947
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:48,079
a shade taller he was a kindly man and

948
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,200
very sensitive

949
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,400
a fine man who loved the country with a

950
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,880
good sense of humor your mother was a

951
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,640
forceful personality

952
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,960
you are more like your father your

953
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:01,040
mother is showing me that she

954
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:05,040
had an amazing skin she minded her own

955
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,599
business

956
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,000
didn't she and she would stick to a

957
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,079
thing if she said so

958
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,920
you had to make a lot of quite big

959
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,480
decisions your mother is very proud of

960
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:15,839
what you've done

961
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,079
i want you to watch your health

962
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,680
there is a little pressure that could

963
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:24,480
affect you get a medical overhaul

964
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,720
i feel you are not content to sit still

965
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,680
you put everything you have got into a

966
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,720
thing

967
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:35,520
and you don't know where to leave off

968
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:36,400
they want

969
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,400
you to relax a little more lord amwell

970
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,440
do you mean blood pressure i have had an

971
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:44,800
overhaul for that

972
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:47,839
with very favorable results

973
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,119
medium you may have but

974
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,480
you have a pressure on the temples

975
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,040
that i want you to watch i am hearing

976
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:58,319
the name of

977
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,839
william thompson i feel there is a

978
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,560
family by that name i think you have

979
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,119
been connected with huge machines

980
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,319
you have got on on your own bat

981
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,800
your mother is very delighted with you

982
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,000
have you had trouble

983
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,480
with one ankle the spirit people are

984
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,599
showing me

985
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,720
one ankle lord amwell yes

986
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,960
i sprained it can you tell me the

987
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,119
occupation of my father

988
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:28,160
medium no i am only getting

989
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,760
a lot of writing medium to mr

990
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,880
ainsworth have you been able to

991
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:37,920
write things mr ainsworth

992
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,400
yes medium you get quick impressions

993
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,920
you have a quick active brain

994
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,720
you are hypersensitive and get hurt more

995
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,520
than people

996
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,880
ever know you are extremely emotional

997
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:55,119
and that intensity of nature has helped

998
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,400
you in your work

999
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,200
your father was an older man broader

1000
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,960
across the forehead

1001
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:03,599
he had a great sense of humor there was

1002
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,079
only

1003
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,720
a very short illness before he went over

1004
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,720
was there something the matter with his

1005
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:11,040
shoulder something that may have made

1006
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,000
one shoulder

1007
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:14,319
droop a bit but i feel he was able to

1008
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,200
get about

1009
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:18,160
considerably reina turned to another

1010
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,119
sitter

1011
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:21,119
have you had a good deal of controlling

1012
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,160
to do

1013
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,560
i feel you have everything at your

1014
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,920
fingertips

1015
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,119
you were born to lead you will get there

1016
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,359
in fact you have succeeded and you are

1017
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,880
not going to let it slip out of your

1018
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:33,760
fingers

1019
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,280
i feel you still keep your finger on the

1020
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:38,560
pulse of things

1021
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,599
small and large can you influence

1022
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,040
politics

1023
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,839
have you done a good deal of writing

1024
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,640
sitter

1025
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,079
i have been associated with it medium

1026
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,880
you have to decide whether it should

1027
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,440
come

1028
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:56,400
in front of the public your father was

1029
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,200
considered

1030
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,480
an extremely handsome man he had a

1031
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:03,839
whimsical smile he is near you a great

1032
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:07,839
deal more than one who is alive

1033
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,640
he had a very quick painful illness

1034
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,000
failed quickly

1035
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:15,040
i am hearing the name of joseph

1036
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,359
and king not in the family

1037
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,319
it's a man who looked after machinery i

1038
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:23,440
feel he was a

1039
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,040
watchman he puts his hand on your head

1040
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:30,079
could you sing when you were young he is

1041
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,040
talking of it

1042
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:34,400
your father is not too well sitter

1043
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,079
i haven't seen him for years medium

1044
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,200
your mother was a fairly tall woman i am

1045
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:42,560
getting

1046
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,319
anne it's your daughter

1047
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,960
you are very pleased with her there is a

1048
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,400
great harmony between

1049
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:53,680
the two of you is she married i feel

1050
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:57,040
she is about 18. sitter

1051
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,119
17 medium she loves the outdoor life

1052
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,400
and the open air i am also getting a

1053
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:05,359
very old

1054
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,920
lady named sarah you also have a son

1055
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,760
he is a very different type from the

1056
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,119
girl

1057
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,599
you cannot force him he doesn't want to

1058
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,280
do what you have done

1059
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,440
don't force him into it the spirit

1060
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,240
people are very pleased indeed with

1061
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,440
that boy he must do creative work

1062
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,560
he is a wonderful lad two canon

1063
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:31,119
knight you have an amazing power in your

1064
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:32,800
fingertips for healing

1065
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,640
you are vibrating purple rays

1066
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:40,000
of healing you can shake off a cold or a

1067
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,200
flu at once

1068
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,319
you have wonderful recuperative powers

1069
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:47,760
i feel you wouldn't rush a thing cannon

1070
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,160
knight

1071
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
that is true medium it takes a lot to

1072
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,000
make you even raise your voice

1073
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,000
the spirit people are very pleased with

1074
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:57,599
the balance you have shown

1075
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:00,960
i want to say you have made a good

1076
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,240
job of it you get your power

1077
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,200
more from your mother than your father

1078
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,520
he was an extremely quiet man

1079
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,720
but i can hear him laughing he had a

1080
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,480
lovely laugh

1081
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,680
do you link with any ministers i can see

1082
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,560
the collar

1083
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,520
back to front cannon knight was not

1084
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:23,520
wearing a clerical collar

1085
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,720
have you injured your knee i am getting

1086
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:28,400
the name of

1087
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,240
margaret i feel someone has had a

1088
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:35,119
very nasty injury to the leg it links up

1089
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,160
with your wife

1090
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,760
perhaps lord amwell it would be

1091
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,560
very evidential if i could get what i

1092
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:43,440
want

1093
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,240
connection with a name

1094
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,880
and i haven't got it yet i want to get

1095
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,319
to the mechanics of it

1096
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,520
it is rather baffling medium you

1097
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,720
are more likely to get what you want if

1098
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,960
you sit with a medium alone

1099
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,480
there are not so many different

1100
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,640
vibrations you have

1101
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,839
all been very kind i would rather have a

1102
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,040
critical group than a gullible group

1103
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:14,319
mr ainsworth how much do you get from

1104
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:15,359
spirit

1105
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,119
and how much from our own minds medium

1106
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,319
if you mean telepathy i have tried it

1107
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,520
and i can't do it i get your characters

1108
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,040
from your auras

1109
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:29,359
lord amwell when does a child stop

1110
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,160
growing

1111
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,200
in the spirit world medium when they

1112
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,880
have reached maturity

1113
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,119
actual age only belongs to your physical

1114
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,760
body if a man is old when he passes he

1115
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,880
progresses

1116
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,839
and the spirit revives you would be

1117
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:46,079
about 25 years old at the best time of

1118
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,040
your life

1119
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,520
children are still guided to a certain

1120
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,200
extent by their parents

1121
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,160
who are still alive the medium told of

1122
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,000
an incident in australia

1123
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,839
during the war when there was some

1124
00:47:00,790 --> 00:47:00,160
public rejoicing when allied troops were

1125
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,800
there

1126
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,119
he saw a drunken sailor go into the

1127
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,480
middle of the road

1128
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,520
and attempt to board a tram there were a

1129
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:09,440
man and a woman standing in the road

1130
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,240
also

1131
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:12,720
he fully expected them to be hit by the

1132
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,520
traffic

1133
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:16,400
but they stood unharmed the sailor was

1134
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,960
hit

1135
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,760
and soon a crowd gathered around him the

1136
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,359
couple who had been standing

1137
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,680
surrounded by traffic went through the

1138
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:24,800
crowd and led

1139
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,760
away the spirit of the sailor who had

1140
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:29,839
died in the roadway

1141
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,559
mr raynor realized that he had been

1142
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,760
seeing

1143
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,000
with the clearest clairvoyance he had

1144
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:37,520
ever experienced

1145
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,640
the loved ones come ready and waiting

1146
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,240
for the accident which was to take place

1147
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,880
and a little aside from me i wonder if

1148
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,240
it be possible

1149
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,680
to go through the archives the newspaper

1150
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:52,960
reports of the day

1151
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:56,480
and find a report of that incident

1152
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where a sailor was killed in the roadway

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maybe maybe not we read on

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panels report lord amwell a high

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percentage of hits

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i can confirm the personal details about

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one other person present

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altogether an interesting sitting canon

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knight a pleasant cheerful personality

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typically australian gave a remarkable

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account of some of his

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own powers but we cannot check accounts

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of what he

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says he saw in his own country he sat

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without being in trance

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and drew in most of those present there

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were many

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statements made about those present

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which were

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clearly untrue but he said something

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or other about most people which was

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more or less on the mark

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his character reading was interesting

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and might have been made by

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anyone able to size up people by their

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general impression

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we all do a bit of this

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[Music]

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and we'll leave it there on that page

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it's only a one page

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report from the 24th of september and it

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says

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a little box at the bottom of the page

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next sunday

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a spirit healer demonstrates his powers

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and it's interesting to note also on

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this page two advertisements

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one is for a finishing school for young

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women

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and the other says five doctors prove

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this plan breaks the laxative habit

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if you take laxatives regularly here's

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how you can stop

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because five new york doctors now have

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proved

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you may break the laxative habit and

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establish your natural powers of

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regularity 83 of the cases tested did it

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so can you stop taking whatever you're

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taking now instead

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every night for one week take two

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carter's

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little liver pills second week

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one each night third week one every

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other night

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then nothing every day drink

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eight glasses of water oh that's

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interesting

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even back in 1950 there was something

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about drinking eight

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glasses of water every day drink eight

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glasses of water

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set a determined time for regularity

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carter's little liver pills unblock

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the lower digestive tract and from

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there it's getting difficult to read

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because the writing is small and

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it's a little bit uh obscured but i'll

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keep going

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and from then on let it

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make use of its own natural powers

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further carter's little liver pills

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contain no

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habit-forming drugs get carter's

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little liver pills at any chemist or

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[Music]

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and so next week we have part six for

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our purposes

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of into the unknown a frank report on

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the riddle of spiritualism

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and to whet your appetite the opening

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paragraph says

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healing of the sick by the laying on of

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hands

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or making of psychic passes is not

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regarded by all psychic workers

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as a legitimate part of what can

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strictly

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spiritualism

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so join us next week for this account of

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a spiritualist healer and this will come

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to us of course from the color magazine

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although it's not in color because it's

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00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,800
strictly black and white copies i've got

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00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,800
access to color magazine

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00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,119
sunday sun supplement and this time

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00:51:58,350 --> 00:51:57,200
it'll be from the 1st of october

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1950

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and of course if you can't wait to find

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out what happens

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00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,839
you can read this account for yourself

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by visiting trove trove.nla.gov dot a u

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links in this week's show notes

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00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:16,880
and i'm sure if you run a search for

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into the unknown you will find

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[Applause]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and as you would have heard in the

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00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,880
show this week we have skeptics in the

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pub online from sydney australia

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i hope you can join us for that later on

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00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,880
in the week

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no matter where you are in the world and

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if you go to www.maynia

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if you haven't seen it already you can

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enjoy the

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weeks ago

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00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,319
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00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,599
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00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,280
and without your support of course there

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00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:30,079
oh and uh thank you to lara benam for

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taking part

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with maynard and michelle biggesmar in

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the latest uh skeptical godmother fairy

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00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:40,000
uh sketch on next week's show more from

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00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,119
our continuing

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00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,400
series from trove all those years ago

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00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,119
testing psychics in the 1950s more

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00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,559
logical fallacies with michelle

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bickersma

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and as i cannot peer into the future

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we'll all

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just have to wait to see what comes up

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but for this week

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this is richard saunders signing off

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:08,480
zone podcast

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00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,640
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00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,960
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00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,799
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00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,200
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00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,200
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skeptics or any other

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00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:04,069
hello to where's my coffee

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00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,349
oh that's better hello to all those

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00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,960
people who listen after the music the

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00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:08,880
afterthoughts for the dice rolling

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00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,400
segment where i have a ten sided die

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00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:14,000
here

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00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,079
very nice sort of translucent blue

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00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,599
i have quite a collection

1319
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,040
and i hope to give them away someday

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00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:24,799
when i see people once again

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00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:28,160
when we can meet in public nevertheless

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here we go so

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it's up to you if you haven't heard this

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00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:32,480
part of the show before

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00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:35,599
use your psychic powers

1326
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:38,799
or whatever powers you want and see if

1327
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,119
you can predict what number comes up

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00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,240
i'll roll it three times i always get my

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00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:45,839
special

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00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,559
limited edition skeptic zone pen ready

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00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:49,440
here it is

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00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:53,119
so limited it's just a pen

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00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:56,799
okay first one first number

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00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,960
out of ten five there you are susan

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00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,760
gerbic

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00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,160
who listens very closely for the number

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00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:05,760
five there's one for you

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00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:12,950
not five this time eight eight is our

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00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:13,760
number and

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00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:23,349
where is it oh here it is it's a nine

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00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,349
five eight and nine

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00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,359
and this week's supplementary so you get

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one more